When facing multiple motoring allegations, the distinction between offences occurring on the “same occasion” versus “separate occasions” can be the difference between keeping your driving licence and facing a six‑month disqualification under the totting‑up rules.
Despite the significance of the issue, there is surprisingly little English case law—and the limited authorities contrast sharply with the stricter, more segmented Scottish approach.
Below, we break down the leading English and Scottish authorities and share an example from our own recent practice where we deployed this argument in an attempt to protect a client from a totting‑up ban.
The central English authority on the “same occasion” point is Johnson v Finbow (1983), a case concerning two separate offences arising from one traffic accident:
Magistrates had concluded that these offences occurred on separate occasions because:
The High Court disagreed.
The court held that:
Importantly, the court emphasised:
The High Court warned that treating otherwise connected offences as separate could result in unjust escalation of penalty points, exceeding even those imposed for more serious offences.
Johnson therefore remains the strongest English foundation for arguing that offences committed during one connected episode should attract only one set of penalty points.
A second, often overlooked English authority is Johnston v Over (1984).
In Johnston, the court accepted that:
However, the case also stresses that:
Crucially, the court noted that the presence of:
may justify treating offences as occurring on separate occasions.
Properly understood, Johnston v Over sits comfortably alongside Johnson v Finbow: both favour common sense, factual connection, and proportionality; while avoiding an excessively broad “same journey equals same occasion” approach.
The Scottish courts have adopted a far stricter stance, consistently dividing a journey into multiple “occasions”, even where offences occur within minutes.
The court held that two offences committed:
were two separate occasions, despite arising during an uninterrupted journey.
Here, an initial moving traffic offence followed by:
were held to be separate occasions, minutes apart.
English courts do not follow the Scottish approach but prosecutors often cite it to argue for separation.
We recently represented a client facing:
Each carried a risk of three points, and together would take him to 12 points and a six‑month totting ban.
We requested that one court remit its case to the other.
This avoided the risk of two separate hearings leading to two sets of points.
We relied heavily on:
The CPS argued:
One justice made an insightful observation:
This aligned with the 2019 sentencing guidelines, which expressly allow courts to consider whether a motorist offended despite knowing that their licence was at risk.
The court ultimately rejected the same occasion argument, preferring the Scottish‑like analysis that two miles apart represented two distinct incidents.
However, we succeeded in an Exceptional Hardship argument, and our client avoided any period of disqualification.
Although each case turns on its own facts, courts frequently reject same‑occasion arguments where:
Outward and return journeys, even on the same road, are very unlikely to be treated as the same occasion.
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